So it was a technical issue?<\/strong><\/p>\n\n\n\nNot sure if I would call it an issue. This couple was more available, there was a production schedules to follow and deadlines to meet. That\u2019s why when I saw them, I decided to stick to two girls. They seemed really determined. I was out of Warsaw at the time, and they sent over a video with choreography they came up with. After the first viewing I knew that was the duo. This was also my first project in which I had not seen the people I was supposed to work with live before. It was stressful, I\u2019ve only met them in person the day before the fitting.<\/p>\n\n\n\n
How did you find them in the first place?<\/strong><\/p>\n\n\n\nI looked around acrobatic clubs in Poland. While I was in the Subcarpathia Province in Poland between Christmas and New Year\u2019s Eve, I found out there is a training taking place, so I went to see it. The coach there said there might be issues with travelling to Warsaw, but she put me in touch with a club in Warsaw. The coach there confirmed she knows two girls who could have potential. In fact \u2013 they were interested, and they also met my requirements, including aesthetic ones. Additionally, they differed in age, so the context got preserved.<\/p>\n\n\n\n
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Magdalena Wr\u00f3blewska, Zuzanna \u0106wik\u0142a, fot. Roman Ada\u015bko (Studio Bites)<\/em><\/figcaption><\/figure>\n<\/div>\n\n\n\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n\n\n\n
You tell a tale of bodies, of touch, of people. Yet you had a robot not only register the connection between bodies, but also interfere with it, change its dynamic. Are you interested in exploring the relationship between the real and the virtual?<\/strong><\/p>\n\n\n\nNo, not at all. I want to display the relationship between bodies.<\/p>\n\n\n\n
The robot was a prop to me initially, it became a character later. Programming its movement takes a lot of time, but they remain the same, with 100% accuracy, in every take. Unlike the movement of girls who get tired, they lose accuracy. We also took this into account during the production. At a point I decided that the contrast is interesting in itself. If a shot is blurry or inaccurate, it will tell a tale that these two can never collide. I wanted to show the dissonance between these worlds. The robot’s movements can be programmed very accurately, but it is impossible to program its response to chaos.<\/p>\n\n\n\n
How did you come across this open call? Quite unusual that a creative agency or a design studio announces an open call for artists.<\/strong><\/p>\n\n\n\nI follow creative companies that operate strictly commercially. I believe that you need to use your skills to make money from them. Because there are few funds available, especially for video artists. Especially on tight schedule.<\/p>\n\n\n\n
The Society of Authors ZAiKS scholarship is helpful, but it is a set amount for which you can apply. More of a one-time support than a funding source. There is the minister\u2019s scholarship, and the \u2018M\u0142oda Polska\u2019 scholarship as well.<\/p>\n\n\n\n
My mother always said \u2013 ideas cannot be measured. Whether you will get funding depends largely on the people who evaluate the application, the priorities for the year. I could finance my own projects, but I refuse to consent to that. I do not pay for projects with my own money. I always look for external sources. I saw the open call for Bites Studio on Instagram.<\/p>\n\n\n\n
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Magdalena Wr\u00f3blewska (top), Zuzanna \u0106wik\u0142a (bottom), fot. Roman Ada\u015bko (Studio Bites)<\/figcaption><\/figure>\n<\/div>\n\n\n\n\n
Kuba Gry\u017cewski, Micha\u0142 Raczy\u0144ski, Magdalena Wr\u00f3blewska, Agnieszka Mastalerz, Zuzanna \u0106wik\u0142a, fot. Roman Ada\u015bko (Studio Bites)<\/figcaption><\/figure>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n\n\n\nSo you managed it without connections or previous relations? You saw the ad, you replied, and you got it?<\/strong><\/p>\n\n\n\nIndeed. I was aware I had to do it on a specific date. And Bites studio had a hall that met my expectations perfectly, and they also had a robot that could interestingly contribute to my work and add new meanings to it.<\/p>\n\n\n\n
Especially that they gave you artistic freedom?<\/strong><\/p>\n\n\n\nAbsolutely.<\/p>\n\n\n\n
Were you not forced to compromise? Considering the size of the studio? A dozen or more people were involved in the project. Two different teams working in production. Working on such extensive projects is always difficult. Logistically, personally…<\/strong><\/p>\n\n\n\nFrankly, it all went according to plan. Especially because of the time limit. In the meantime, I managed to obtain the Society of Authors ZAiKS scholarship, so I could pay everyone that helped along. I had a crew, and everything started to come together. Could something be done differently, better, for the benefit of the project? I do not know. I do not think about it. All I know is we executed everything that was planned.<\/p>\n\n\n\n
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Backstage from video shoot of NMSNNG by Agnieszka Mastalerz\n
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Sounds like you are the dream coordinator… and project manager. Substantive development of the project, budgeting, scheduling, obtaining external sources of financing, crew management and coordination. Where do you find the time for the creative process?<\/strong>You know, it occurred to me now that even before the material mentioned, these recordings the girl on a horse from 2017, I recorded three other girls who were practicing on a vaulting horse. I wanted to address the very subject of vaulting, not do an exact copy. It was not supposed to be a documentary. So you see: the shoot for the video, which I showed at the exhibition in Milan, took place at the beginning of 2022. It took four years for the idea to come to life.<\/p>\n\n\n\n
I submitted this idea to the Minister’s scholarship, but I did not get it. I applied to several other places at the time. I sent it to the Foundation that already has one of my works in their collection, but they were not interested either. I am not saying this open call was a blessing, but the timing was perfect. I knew I had to record another video, as I had agreed with the gallery that I would show a new piece of work at the exhibition. Without the resources, I would have to come up with a different project. You can always record a video with your phone, you can reach out for help somewhere else, scout various places. These four years I was not just focusing on that. The project was in the making, not in the waiting. It looks different now, because, as the exhibition came up, I came back to it, reworked it, and started realizing it. And it worked.<\/p>\n\n\n\n
Why the title [no mental scars, no nursed grudges]? It sounds pawky, ironic even. Yet you talk about this project with a profound sense of satisfaction and success. No reckoning.<\/strong><\/p>\n\n\n\nWe wondered with the girls running the gallery in Milan whether to mention that this title comes from an essay by Zygmunt Bauman, I do not remember if it finally made it to the description?<\/p>\n\n\n\n
It did not.<\/strong><\/p>\n\n\n\nExactly. I do not think it necessary to share the whole creative process with the audience, although it is bold, and I assume that quite often it is also interesting and valuable, e.g., for younger artists. I also think that not revealing all the details of reaching the final form of the project, or its background, leaves the recipients more room for their own interpretation or understanding of the work. It seems to me that a golden mean should be found here, neither to treat viewers as people who do not know the given cultural references, nor assume that they do. In one of my videos, I do not provide details of inspiration in the description, because it is evidence of a crime, which I do not want to flaunt. <\/p>\n\n\n\n
The title is a quote from Zygmunt Bauman’s essay “From pilgrim to tourist \u2013 or a short history of identity”. It concerns the relationship of two people who play, but their game is a metaphor for their mutual relationship in the moment when one of them loses. My point was that when you fail, it is not necessarily to be experienced and analysed to your disadvantage. One can make conclusions and leave with their head held high. And here, again, a few ideas collided.<\/p>\n\n\n\n
I read the essay in Brno. Bauman describes a board game played between a young couple. I transcribed it into gestures. One person tries to grab the other, wrap around them, be their safety belt, or vest, so there will be no scars in this relationship. They are not visible, but there may be internal scars. The key question I posed is how much this potential fall affects us internally. Fortunately, there is increased talk about the fact that mental scars do not heal in the same way as real bruises.<\/p>\n\n\n\n
Interesting… I interpreted it in the context of a three-way relationship. With the robot.<\/strong><\/p>\n\n\n\nNo. It was about the body-on-body relationship only at first. In the process, the robot became an important entity, impacting the heroines.<\/p>\n\n\n\n
Speaking of the process itself \u2013 in 2020 I took part in an exhibition at Galeria Wsch\u00f3d. It was intended for projects that were never started, or never completed. These could have been sketches, installation parts and so forth. I showed these fragments of silk, which I bought as part of research related to parachutes. I read that the parachutes were also made of silk. After the Second World War, parcels of food were dropped on such silk parachutes. The contents of the packages were used, but women additionally sewed parachute material into bedding or wedding dresses. The fact that this delicate silk obtained from the threads of insects is used to save lives, to carry the weight of the body, drew my attention. During this research, I bought scraps of silk online, which allegedly came from these parachutes. Just to attach them to the wall and observe. Think about what can be made from them.<\/p>\n\n\n\n
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Work of Agnieszka Mastalerz from the \u2018Proposals for a show\u2019 exhibition, Galeria Wsch\u00f3d, 2020, fot. Jan Domicz<\/figcaption><\/figure>\n<\/div>\n\n\n\n\n
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In Galeria Wsch\u00f3d, I exhibited them side by side. I tried to create an architectural form from them, keeping in mind the functionalism of the hotel in Brno. We called these fragments “costume scraps” with the curator, as if I were going to create costumes from parachute materials for this photoshoot in Brno. Three fragments were put on the wall side by side, with an inscription saying they are from a performance act that never got performed. We called it \u201eno mental scars, no nursed grudges\u201d already at the time.<\/p>\n\n\n\n
Additionally, another work was created in the meantime. After my residence in Brno, a friend helped me make a tiny zin, framed in silk. There was a quote from Bauman, and a fragment from Olga Tokarczuk, because I was reading “Bieguni” (Eng. ‘Flights’) at the time, which contained deliberations on time stopping on an airplane flight. And finally, a copy of the Polaroid taken in Brno. It turned out to be a book to myself – a set of inspirations framed in another inspiration \u2013 silk.<\/p>\n\n\n\nZin by Agnieszka Mastalerz, 2019; In the picture: quote from Olga Tokarczuk\u2019s “Bieguni” (Eng. ‘Flights’), and a view of the Avion Hotel in Brno, courtesy of the artist<\/figcaption><\/figure>\n\n\n\nYou said in the beginning that you are not afraid to think about your work in commercial and business terms. Although business involves a different type of working conditions. Sometimes you can be forced into a \u2018employer\u2019 – \u2018contractor\u2019 dynamic. What is your experience?<\/strong><\/p>\n\n\n\nI guess I have been lucky so far. I do not remember having to compromise. Projects have often evolved, and with time, new ideas appear. Today, for example, I would change the final way of presenting the “Trajectory of Bodies” project at the APH competition exhibition in 2018 at the Museum of Modern Art in Warsaw. But that was the image, and specific financial and organizational opportunities I had at the time. Each collaboration brings me a step further, I try to draw conclusions from each one. It is not something I am ashamed of, something I would rather leave unsaid. <\/p>\n\n\n\n
I know for a fact that the realization of the ERGO Hestia Annual Report, as part of the same APH competition, was already more complicated. First of all, there is no equivalent in Poland, so there is no point of reference. Secondly, it is a multi-stage process considering the cooperation of artists with the corporate structure \u2013 not only with the APH Foundation, but with the active participation of communication and marketing departments, the president… Artistic vision does not always go hand in hand with brand needs and expectations. That was the case here: your idea of a dream-book was changed due to possible image crises…<\/strong><\/p>\n\n\n\nIn the end, it was for the better. Or put it this way: I am incredibly happy with the result, because it seems much more interesting to see these specific dreams taken apart into fragments. You do not reveal it whole. You cannot read it whole; you do not know the author either. That was also the way it was exhibited at the Museum of Modern Art in Warsaw – the texts were inaccessible, impossible to read, and hung high above the viewers’ heads. It was more interesting than just reading it. And why would you access other people\u2019s dreams? I read them myself for the project, but at some point, you must respect the privacy of people who agreed to speak their mind. A vivisection of corporate employees was not the goal here.<\/p>\n\n\n\n\u201ePoznanie,\u201d ERGO Hestia Annual Report 2017, by Agnieszka Mastalerz<\/figcaption><\/figure>\n\n\n\n\n
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This situation was reversed when working with (Un)common Ground. We came to you with a specific idea, which you… torpedoed it may be too strong of a word (laughs), but you turned it into something completely different. Something that ultimately turned out to be a better and more interesting project for us. How do you decide when it is worth adjusting the project to the client’s needs, and when it is worth saying “it makes no sense, let’s do it differently”?<\/strong><\/p>\n\n\n\nYou wanted me to recreate the thermograms from my previous project. I had that specific idea in mind at that time, with a clear vision of photographing different institutions. Repeating the same concept with Hotel Europejski in Warsaw felt forced. I would have to find a reason within myself to go back to that technique. What did Hotel Europejski have in common with the Parliament or the Constitutional Court buildings? I did not want to do it all over again, I would much rather create something new. Something that would be more interesting to the viewers, something that will embrace the respect due to the building.<\/p>\n\n\n\n
The final design is overall similar to the thermograms. It also required learning the history of Hotel Europejski. I enjoyed meeting with Igor Bloch, who told me of the \u2018white marianna\u2019 marble. It so happened that this project was realized in the autumn. And in May, I went to Mi\u0119dzyg\u00f3rze to hike in the mountains and stay in the open air. It was the beginning of the pandemic. I knew Marianna Oria\u0144ska was born in these parts. I wanted to know her story, and the place she used to live in and own. I even took a camera with me, but I did not take a single photo. And then you reached out to me and organized a meet up with Igor. He spoke the Duchess\u2019 name, and it all came back.<\/p>\n\n\n\n
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I treated this offer as a regular job. One from which I can profit and finance my next project. But if I am to be the author, I want to be satisfied with it, to be able to identify with it. I realize in Sopot I was working you for, but you gave me that chance. When I discovered I had received a special award, i.e., the implementation of the artistic concept of the Annual Report for ERGO Hestia, I did not know what to think. But now, I treat is just as any other job \u2013 I must do my best and get proper compensation. And I am incredibly happy about that, because not only will I have the opportunity to create something, but I will also earn money from doing it. And not from sales of the final product, for a preset compensation for every step of the production \u2013 physical and intellectual work, my time, travels, meetings.<\/p>\n\n\n\n
There was a point in my life when I gave up on regular employment. I put all the eggs in one basket: I want to be able to support myself from creativity, from my work. I am aware I need to constantly be looking for opportunities to be able to realize any project and accept a lot of them will be turned down. I assume that if someone is not interested, or is not able to cooperate, then maybe they will get back to me someday. I am serious about my work. I care about being able to do what I want, to focus on it, not do <\/p>\n\n\n\n
things I do not want to do, or I do not agree with ideologically.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<\/p>\u201eno mental scars, no nursed grudges\u201d video was realized with and thanks to:<\/em>\u2013 3-channel video: Marcin Go\u0142\u0105b: director of photography; Kuba Gry\u017cewski: assistant director; Zuzanna \u0106wik\u0142a, Magdalena Wr\u00f3blewska: performance artists; Bart\u0142omiej Ptasznik: focus puller; Olaf Jurdyga: gaffer; Anna S\u0142owi\u0144ska: make-up, hair; Mirella Panecka: backstage; Bites Studio: studio, crew (Micha\u0142 Raczy\u0144ski: robot operator, \u0141ukasz Mergner: video, Roman Adasko: backstage), bolt, cameras; Black Photon: post-processing (Alicja Karbowska: post-production coordinator, Monika Greczkowska: conforming, Hanna Rudkiewicz: color correction, Maciej Mika: special effects); Fast Media: optics<\/em>\u2013 a series of analogue photos \u2013 Agnieszka Kryst: performer; Ewa Led\u00f3chowicz: owner of the location; Painting Studio, Jerzy \u0141api\u0144ski: scanning; banda printshop: scanning.<\/em>The exhibition was created with the support of the Consulate General of the Republic of Poland in Milan, the Polish Institute in Rome, and the Adam Mickiewicz Institute in Warsaw<\/em><\/cite><\/blockquote>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"To her, professionalism is not just about proficiency. It involves planning a complex production process, multi-stage research, juggling schedules, planning […]<\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":5,"featured_media":7182,"comment_status":"open","ping_status":"open","sticky":true,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"inline_featured_image":false,"footnotes":""},"categories":[25],"tags":[],"class_list":["post-8054","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","has-post-thumbnail","hentry","category-uncategorized"],"yoast_head":"\n
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